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		<title>By: Kira</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Emily,

Yes, my thoughts exactly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Emily,</p>
<p>Yes, my thoughts exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this, it&#039;s exactly what I&#039;ve been thinking. At best what VegNews wrote wasn&#039;t an apology and at worst it was a hidden, half-assed humble brag in the guise of an “apology.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, it&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;ve been thinking. At best what VegNews wrote wasn&#8217;t an apology and at worst it was a hidden, half-assed humble brag in the guise of an “apology.”</p>
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		<title>By: Kira</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exvnstaffer - I know next to nothing about copyright and iStock&#039;s policies, so thanks for the info!

Bitch Sessio - I&#039;m assuming your name was meant to be &quot;bitch session.&quot; Very clever. 

You&#039;re right. Not everyone knows the answer to everything... But part of being an adult means admitting when you don&#039;t know the answer, and when you&#039;ve messed up. If VegNews had straight away admitted to the stock photo thing (which they would have, if they legitimately thought it was a totally acceptable practice) I may still have been disappointed, but would I have been angry? No. I do understand why they did it, and how harsh the realties of publishing can be (and I stated so in this post). What I don&#039;t understand is VegNews&#039; refusal to accept any blame for this incident, or to even acknowledge readers&#039; feelings as legitimate. 

You asked if VegNews really deceived me. Well, yes. Of course they did. When they illustrate their recipes with images, they are tacitly implying that these images are a) of the recipe in question and b) vegan. They were neither. In what world is that not deceit? It&#039;s a lie, plain and simple, and I bought it. You&#039;ve set up a false dichotomy when you state that it must either be a lie or an &quot;industry standard.&quot; This is not the case. Ends do not always justify means. There were other, more ethical, and just as financially viable, options that VegNews chose not to explore. &quot;Industry standard&quot; is not good enough. It&#039;s dangerous to argue that just because everyone else does something it must be morally right. This could be used to defend numerous heinous things... Plus, if it was really true, we wouldn&#039;t be vegan, would we?

I earnestly believe that VegNews should apologise, because I also believe that owning up to mistakes (or at least the consequences of your actions) is something that any truly ethical person or business should be ready and willing to do. By taking the course of action that they did, VegNews have proved themselves to be profoundly unethical. I am prepared to offer forgiveness (as I expect most reasonable people are), but only if they actually want it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exvnstaffer &#8211; I know next to nothing about copyright and iStock&#8217;s policies, so thanks for the info!</p>
<p>Bitch Sessio &#8211; I&#8217;m assuming your name was meant to be &#8220;bitch session.&#8221; Very clever. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. Not everyone knows the answer to everything&#8230; But part of being an adult means admitting when you don&#8217;t know the answer, and when you&#8217;ve messed up. If VegNews had straight away admitted to the stock photo thing (which they would have, if they legitimately thought it was a totally acceptable practice) I may still have been disappointed, but would I have been angry? No. I do understand why they did it, and how harsh the realties of publishing can be (and I stated so in this post). What I don&#8217;t understand is VegNews&#8217; refusal to accept any blame for this incident, or to even acknowledge readers&#8217; feelings as legitimate. </p>
<p>You asked if VegNews really deceived me. Well, yes. Of course they did. When they illustrate their recipes with images, they are tacitly implying that these images are a) of the recipe in question and b) vegan. They were neither. In what world is that not deceit? It&#8217;s a lie, plain and simple, and I bought it. You&#8217;ve set up a false dichotomy when you state that it must either be a lie or an &#8220;industry standard.&#8221; This is not the case. Ends do not always justify means. There were other, more ethical, and just as financially viable, options that VegNews chose not to explore. &#8220;Industry standard&#8221; is not good enough. It&#8217;s dangerous to argue that just because everyone else does something it must be morally right. This could be used to defend numerous heinous things&#8230; Plus, if it was really true, we wouldn&#8217;t be vegan, would we?</p>
<p>I earnestly believe that VegNews should apologise, because I also believe that owning up to mistakes (or at least the consequences of your actions) is something that any truly ethical person or business should be ready and willing to do. By taking the course of action that they did, VegNews have proved themselves to be profoundly unethical. I am prepared to offer forgiveness (as I expect most reasonable people are), but only if they actually want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perfection is not something we&#039;re trying to obtain, and I&#039;d like to think the majority of people who are upset about this feel the same way. I have yet to meet a vegan, or anyone else for that matter, who was able to completely adhere to their values in everything they do. Personally, and Kira may think differently, the major issue I have with the vn thing is that they seem to suggest it was not possible to use anything but the meat dish stock photos, and I find this incredibly hard to swallow. We&#039;ve been running great quality photos, submitted by contributors, for several years now. Industry standard or not, I&#039;d like to think we&#039;ve been putting out a rather good publication without having to resort to false advertising, which is part of the problem here.

Before this whole thing popped-up, I think VegNews was doing a great job of promoting veganism, and I hope they can learn from this mistake and get back to doing what they do best. However, the effect of having such a large vegan-friendly publication admit to using non-vegan foods has certainly been negative for veganism in the public eye. There are plenty of articles covering this story now from National Public Radio to the New York Times, and lots of them are taking the chance to suggest the idea that if such a prominent publication can not find great photos of vegan food, maybe it&#039;s because vegan food is just plain bad.

I&#039;m not looking for people to jump ship on a publication that has spent eleven years building itself up large enough to have the reach it has, I&#039;m just hoping that VegNews will realize there are other options out there, and they come from the same people who have been helping the magazine get to where it is today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfection is not something we&#8217;re trying to obtain, and I&#8217;d like to think the majority of people who are upset about this feel the same way. I have yet to meet a vegan, or anyone else for that matter, who was able to completely adhere to their values in everything they do. Personally, and Kira may think differently, the major issue I have with the vn thing is that they seem to suggest it was not possible to use anything but the meat dish stock photos, and I find this incredibly hard to swallow. We&#8217;ve been running great quality photos, submitted by contributors, for several years now. Industry standard or not, I&#8217;d like to think we&#8217;ve been putting out a rather good publication without having to resort to false advertising, which is part of the problem here.</p>
<p>Before this whole thing popped-up, I think VegNews was doing a great job of promoting veganism, and I hope they can learn from this mistake and get back to doing what they do best. However, the effect of having such a large vegan-friendly publication admit to using non-vegan foods has certainly been negative for veganism in the public eye. There are plenty of articles covering this story now from National Public Radio to the New York Times, and lots of them are taking the chance to suggest the idea that if such a prominent publication can not find great photos of vegan food, maybe it&#8217;s because vegan food is just plain bad.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking for people to jump ship on a publication that has spent eleven years building itself up large enough to have the reach it has, I&#8217;m just hoping that VegNews will realize there are other options out there, and they come from the same people who have been helping the magazine get to where it is today.</p>
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		<title>By: exvnstaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>exvnstaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kira, 
Just incase you weren&#039;t aware, istock is a place where you purchase images legally to use as your own. You don&#039;t credit the photographer. Other than that I totally agree with everything you said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kira,<br />
Just incase you weren&#8217;t aware, istock is a place where you purchase images legally to use as your own. You don&#8217;t credit the photographer. Other than that I totally agree with everything you said!</p>
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		<title>By: bitch sessio</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitch sessio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please. Everyone knows the answer to everything. Right? You&#039;re the gospel on righteousness. Scrutinize everything everyone does and that will leave you little time to have a meaningful impact on those ssues that really matter. Photoshopped photos or real fur being sold at urban outfitters as faux? What&#039;s the real priority here? Is it just to be the puritanical police? Or do you really care about a just and ethical environment. Did vn really deceive you? Or did they just practice industry standards in order to have a positive impact on our community? If the fact that they use stock photos and chopped out the chicken bones (obviously, who the hell wants to see that) had not &quot;broke&quot; (seriously, is this breaking news?) Would our planet be worse off? And is it better off now? Or is just quarrygirl&#039;s and the dedicated vegan haters that follow her&#039;s agendas that are better off. These are all valid questions, as valid as asking why vn used stock photos and why they haven&#039;t apologized. Should they though really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please. Everyone knows the answer to everything. Right? You&#8217;re the gospel on righteousness. Scrutinize everything everyone does and that will leave you little time to have a meaningful impact on those ssues that really matter. Photoshopped photos or real fur being sold at urban outfitters as faux? What&#8217;s the real priority here? Is it just to be the puritanical police? Or do you really care about a just and ethical environment. Did vn really deceive you? Or did they just practice industry standards in order to have a positive impact on our community? If the fact that they use stock photos and chopped out the chicken bones (obviously, who the hell wants to see that) had not &#8220;broke&#8221; (seriously, is this breaking news?) Would our planet be worse off? And is it better off now? Or is just quarrygirl&#8217;s and the dedicated vegan haters that follow her&#8217;s agendas that are better off. These are all valid questions, as valid as asking why vn used stock photos and why they haven&#8217;t apologized. Should they though really?</p>
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		<title>By: Kira</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave! Thanks for the comment - yeah, I totally forgot about the photographers! You&#039;re right, that&#039;s a huge legal issue too... Unless they were credited at some point in the front or back matter of the magazine? Not cool, either way.

Megan: thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave! Thanks for the comment &#8211; yeah, I totally forgot about the photographers! You&#8217;re right, that&#8217;s a huge legal issue too&#8230; Unless they were credited at some point in the front or back matter of the magazine? Not cool, either way.</p>
<p>Megan: thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Shishkoff</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Shishkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said!

It&#039;s laughable (in a very sad way) that they call themselves an &#039;ethical vegan&#039; publication. They&#039;ve become neither.

Further from this deception is the disrespect to the photographers themselves, who VegNews are contractually obligated to credit (from the stock photo companies), but didn&#039;t (as this would lead a trail...) I would not be surprised if VegNews were to find themselves amidst a lawsuit or two.

I comment further on VegNewsGate (as Sarah Kramer has coined it) here:

http://veganvelo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46

(PS - there&#039;s a new vegan cycling website! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s laughable (in a very sad way) that they call themselves an &#8216;ethical vegan&#8217; publication. They&#8217;ve become neither.</p>
<p>Further from this deception is the disrespect to the photographers themselves, who VegNews are contractually obligated to credit (from the stock photo companies), but didn&#8217;t (as this would lead a trail&#8230;) I would not be surprised if VegNews were to find themselves amidst a lawsuit or two.</p>
<p>I comment further on VegNewsGate (as Sarah Kramer has coined it) here:</p>
<p><a href="http://veganvelo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46" rel="nofollow">http://veganvelo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46</a></p>
<p>(PS &#8211; there&#8217;s a new vegan cycling website! <img src='http://www.ilovetofu.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Veggies Have A Heart &#187; VegNews Responds to Accusations</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Veggies Have A Heart &#187; VegNews Responds to Accusations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;  Okay, seriously though. You know one of their employees has a quality Nikon or Canon DSLR. A one time charge for a reflector, maybe train someone to place the food in an appetizing manner (a food stylist)&#8230;spray it with some glistening shiny stuff, I don&#8217;t care. They have the means to not use meaty photos. Give me a break.  I&#8217;d also like to briefly address those that are saying us &#8220;vegan Nazis&#8221; are attacking VegNews when they&#8217;ve done a lot of good for the vegan community. First of all, I will acknowledge they have helped spread the word and educate people. But, they have been called out on dishonest practices. A good company, just as a person, would own up to it and change their ways. VegNews is going to lose most of their readers over this, all because they won&#8217;t admit they were wrong and find another means to get food photos. I bet most of their readership would stay if they admitted it and changed. What it boils down to is that VegNews didn&#8217;t care and they still don&#8217;t.  Some good will come of this. Despite the fact that there ARE vegan stock images out there, there are talks of starting an all vegan stock photo site. I will, of course, post updates about that as I hear them. :)  In the mean time, my money and support and readership will go to an honest magazine and website, who cares about more than the money.  Here are some other great responses to this issue:  ilovetofu.ca: VegNews, Apologies, and the Fine Art of Growing up [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;  Okay, seriously though. You know one of their employees has a quality Nikon or Canon DSLR. A one time charge for a reflector, maybe train someone to place the food in an appetizing manner (a food stylist)&#8230;spray it with some glistening shiny stuff, I don&#8217;t care. They have the means to not use meaty photos. Give me a break.  I&#8217;d also like to briefly address those that are saying us &#8220;vegan Nazis&#8221; are attacking VegNews when they&#8217;ve done a lot of good for the vegan community. First of all, I will acknowledge they have helped spread the word and educate people. But, they have been called out on dishonest practices. A good company, just as a person, would own up to it and change their ways. VegNews is going to lose most of their readers over this, all because they won&#8217;t admit they were wrong and find another means to get food photos. I bet most of their readership would stay if they admitted it and changed. What it boils down to is that VegNews didn&#8217;t care and they still don&#8217;t.  Some good will come of this. Despite the fact that there ARE vegan stock images out there, there are talks of starting an all vegan stock photo site. I will, of course, post updates about that as I hear them. <img src='http://www.ilovetofu.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   In the mean time, my money and support and readership will go to an honest magazine and website, who cares about more than the money.  Here are some other great responses to this issue:  ilovetofu.ca: VegNews, Apologies, and the Fine Art of Growing up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://www.ilovetofu.ca/2011/04/14/vegnews-apologies-and-the-fine-art-of-growing-up/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPOT ON!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPOT ON!</p>
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